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Reimagining Justice

Oct 26, 2020

In this episode no. 45 I speak with President of the American Bar Association and Partner, Snell & Wilcox, Ms Patrica Lee Refo.

This interview covers:

  • The ABA’s mission, including racial equity and other practical strategies
  • The current focus on unmet legal needs due to the pandemic
  • The impact of the pandemic on the practise of law including remote working and training junior lawyers
  • The once-in-a-lifetime opportunity facing the profession
  • Who are the people best-placed to innovate and reform
  • How the historic ABA resolution regarding reform was developed and passed
  • The importance of experimenting and measuring what works
  • The role of technology and paraprofessionals in creating more options for everyday people
  • Specific ABA projects including Free Legal Answers, Legal Tech for a change, the Miranda tool and Floodproof app
  • The power inherent in being a lawyer
  • The need to build back justice systems that are better than before
  • Ms Refo’s definition of legal innovation or, more particularly what it’s not!

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